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Michael C.

Displacement in time, place, and culture is an ongoing and accelerating process.

The second generation children of immigrants are clashing not with the original culture that shaped their parents, but with the fortified calcification of traditions created to protect identities in peril. Cultures live and breath in their native environments, and this necessarily means that they are continuously changing in subtle ways.

I would guess that your Korean American student might have an easier time dealing with the parents of her peers in Korea. Immigrating to America has removed her own parents from the stream of gradual changes introducing modernity to Korea. The tensions between modern and traditional, American and Korean, parent and child; get conflated here in ways that they don't in Korea.

Jack Whelan

Korean culture in Korea might still be alive, but I don't think it will be any better at surviving than traditional cultures in Europe. It's just a little further behind the the curve than other cultures.

When I meet, for instance, educated Germans or French, there is certainly a residue of their traditional culture in them, but it remains like a stain that has not been completely washed out. Their souls are more postmodern than they are German or French.

In Korea they are still in the middle of the wash cycle. But in a few generations educated Koreans will be like you and me, and like educated postmoderns everywhere. I don't see why Asia should be exempt.

Michael C.

I am not trying to promote some kind of Asian exceptionalism that will allow their culture to survive unmarred the globalizing solvent of modernity. Rather, I see that immigrant communities cling to a cultural identity frozen at the point that they left their native soil. Regardless of the origin of the immigrants—Irish, Korean or Italian—the children of the immigrants exist within a set of cultural strictures that no longer match those that continue to evolve in the mother country. If anything, I would expect this effect to be accentuated for immigrants from countries that have undergone more recent modernization.

Jack Whelan

Michael--

Yes this freezing phenomenon is pretty interesting. And it's something I'd like to talk about in a future post. Although it's really a different thing than what you're talkling about because of its physical isolation, you're making this point reminded me of Iceland.

In the seventies, the cheapest way to get to Europe was a New York-Rekjaviic-Luxembourg route that I took a couple of times. On the way back on one of these trips an American guy gets on in Rekjavic and sits next to me. He was a graduate student working for the summer shoveling volcanic ash and trying to learn Icelandic. Turns out he was also a student of medieval Norse literature, and he said that Icelandic was pretty much a frozen version of Norse from the 13th century or so.

Think about that the next time you listen to something by Bjork. She's someone who developed in a culture that is linguistically stuck in the 1200s. Maybe that's what gives her music that eerie where did that come from quality.

jw

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