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Matt Zemek

Jack,

What does your post have to say on the subject of pro-war Maria Cantwell?

Vote for the (D) next to her name, or vote her out because of her support for the war?

Mike McG...

"In American politics there has been way too much attention paid to individual personalities. Standing alone, no politician can accomplish anything; his or her power lies in the factions with which he or she aligns. It's the faction that gets particular policies enacted, and so the primary consideration for electing, re-electing, or voting someone out of office is not individual traits of the individual candidate, but the faction with which she aligns herself."

Sounds like a kinder, gentler formulation of Paul Krugman's contention that "Centrism is for Suckers."

Such a formulation works equally well for the 34% who define themselves as conservatives as the 18% who self-define as liberals. It totally disempowers the 40% who call themselves moderates and reject litmus test voting. (Citation: The Harris Poll)

For me, the war is the preeminent issue; my vote is reliably Democratic in any case. But I *can* understand the broad appeal of a candidate like Lieberman to CT moderates whose views don't fit comfortably in either of the approved factions.

I also think those who want to write DNC types out of of the Democratic party are clueless about the national electorate.

Jack Whelan

Matt--

I'd vote Cantwell out in a heartbeat if there were a Lamont-like candidate to replace her who could win in November. Obviously if the candidate is likely to lose to a Republican in the general election, it's a net loss.

Mike--

My point is that the center-right DLC defines the center by default and that its premiere role in defining the Democrats response to Republican policies has emascualted the possibility for a formulating a credible center-left policy. In effect their cooptation of party legitimacy has come to define anyone who is to their left as radical left when in reality they are center left. I believe that if a robust center-left alternative were presented, most Americans would embrace it.

I would also agree with Krugman that in this time of national emergency, centrism as defined by the media is for suckers if in effect centrism empowers the more radical program of the right wing factions currently in power. That's the whole point of the post. Moderates waste their vote if it doesn't change the balance of power. What worries me is that centrists will naively vote as you suggest they will--for the comfortable candidates like Lieberman thinking they are voting centrist but in fact empowering extremism.

We are in a national emergency, and our choices should not be based on what we're comfortable with but with doing what it takes to stop the radical right from continuing to aggregate power. Have you seen the latest on the London Bomb scare? From Andrew Sullivan's blog:

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html

We'll see how this turns out, but it's not possible to be too cynical about everything these people say and do. Nothing is more important than taking the car keys away from them and making sure they don't get hold of them again. It's up to the moderates to see this, and it's their very moderation that I think will make them unwitting enablers of this nightmare.

jw

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