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Matt Zemek

Jack,

Explain more about living off the faith of saints. I sense Merton viewed it as a crutch and/or cop-out, a weak and hollow display.

Yet, the Saints have always been models for us to follow.

Please say more about how to separate the healthy from the not-so-spiritually healthy in terms of following the Saints and living on the strength of those who have gone before us, modeling Christianity in human flesh.

Thanks, as always. Great to have a Catholic post... it's been a good while.

Jack Whelan

Matt--

Alienation is all the ways we don't live our own lives. That isn't to say that he alone lives his life authentically who lives it in isolation without being helped or influenced by others. We owe a lot to friends, family, teachers from whom we learn about so many things.

But the point is that our acculturation, if it is healthy, is not some mold into which we are poured, it is rather a trellis on which we grow. There's a difference, to use the example from the post, between living one's life as Thomas Merton lived his (as if he were a mold into which one would pour himself) and being receptive to what radiates authentically from Merton's life (or person striving to be real) like sunshine, awakens, or energizes, or nourishes what is real in our our self.

I have never liked the idea that others provide a model for us, like a "role model." The word "model' is too close to mold. The people who have been most valuable in my life are those like whom I have not turned out to be at all. But there was something about their lives that made me aware of something about myself that I hadn't known before.

Sometimes they pointed out or appreciated something I was unaware of in myself or didn't value much. Sometimes it was my noticing something about them--virtues like courage or kindness that surprised me and made me ask myself if I would be capable of such a such a thing.

I did not want to "be" these people; rather I wanted to realize in myself the virtues that they had already realized for themselves. Their having realized it for themselves made me aware of the possibility of realizing it for myself. It was no longer abstract, but real; no longer theory or a head trip, but incarnate.

Elie's book is interesting because it traces the lives of the four most interesting American Catholics of the 20th Century. What made them interesting was their fierce individuality, which at the same time lived in tension with the Catholic tradition. The one I feel closest to in temperament is Percy, my guess is that Dorothy Day is the one closest to you. Discovering Percy was huge for me because I found someone who independently of my life lived with the same questions and sense of the strangeness of the world that I did. I have learned a lot from him, but I see him as a kindred spirit--one among many--not a role model. I think that Merton would have welcomed anyone who approached him as a kindred spirit, but not as a role model.

Matt Zemek

Would it follow, then, Jack, that we seem to be a nation that wants role models, and therefore tries to imitate whole lifestyles instead of focusing on the values themselves and incorporating them into our own unique life journeys.

Perhaps that's the kind of slant you're referring to when you talk about the deficiencies of the "role model" concept/framework?

PS--I wonder how many Americans would understand the points you made in the post and in your reply to my first comment. I'm sure that distinction would be lost on a number of people.

Jack Whelan

I think the key to the distinction lies in the difference between on the one hand saying I don't know who I am and how to live, so I'll pick somebody to imitate and live as if I am him or her--and on the other, striving to live one's own life on one's own terms but in an interdependent relationship with others who are real enough themselves to awaken in us that which is most real.

Rudy

According to Girard (and probably others) we are all imitating others. The crucial point is to pick a role model like Jesus, someone who lives for others. Just imitating our neighbors leads us into rivalry.

While I'm an ex-Catholic, I'd say I'd pick Day. Percy always struck me as one of the reactionary anti-Vatican II types; am I being unfair? I haven't read any Percy since the early 1980's.

Rob Melly

Rudy,

I am reluctant to make this point, being that I have no familiarity with Girard, but there seems to be something fundamentally missing from his thesis if our imitation is the sum and whole of our lives. Namely, there is no agent of change in the world. If were are constituted by our imitation of what we see others doing, this would seem to build a sort of closed circuit of imitation. If the exit from this circle is to imitate 'those who live for others' it must be admitted that: 1) these persons are much more frequently encountered and much more mundane than Jesus and 2) that these persons serve as the sort of non-imitating benchmarks around which we should center our imitating lives. However, if this is so, then there can be non-imitating persons and it doesn't seem too hard to imagine that there are non-imitating persons who's last concern is the good of others. The claim swiftly becomes moral and not descriptive from here.
In any case, the thesis you ascribe to Girard seems to be a rather simplified characterization of human affairs.

Jack Whelan

Well said, Rob. A good part of who we are is determined by our acculturation, but freedom is essentially always a response to grace which is the x-factor that by definition penetrates from outside the various social constructions humans have created down through the centuries.

It is important for our development that we assimilate/imitate the good habits of good people who influence us in childhood, but it is more important that we meet and be inspired by people who themselves have lived lives freely in response to grace. When we meet such people, our best response to them is not imitation. Such encounters are themselves moments of grace that awaken in us deeper capacities for the exercise of our own freedom. If we are not made more free by such an encounter, we have had the experience but missed the meaning.

Rudy

Rob,

It does sound circular the way I put it. Girard puts the emphasis on imitating the desires of other people; and he doesn't say this is a bad thing, just the way any social animal works. The social tension comes in the rivalry that follows. He suggests that the search for a scapegoat to blame, in order to bring (false) unity back, is behind much of human evil.

Clearly this isn't the entire story, though if you read it as the the story of envy, covetousness, etc. it's a pretty big part of the human story.

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