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Shane Brooks

Jack,
While I may not agree with your core values or beliefs fully, I can't help but feel a connection with your writing as it appears not only academic, but from the heart as well. I can only hope that your rational and tempered approach rubs off in my own writings. I think you'll be surprised to find that while I am so far from you politically, that we may have much in common in what we hope our nation will become. I too believe that America's better days are ahead of us...I have to. Check out my two sites when you find the time to do so.

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Respectfully,
Shane Brooks

Rob M.

Jack,

Any thoughts on where this post-secularist spirit will start poking through into the common concious? The arts? The academy? Maybe even in our science? Where does a cultural mythos start to take hold?

-Rob M.

Jack Whelan

Shane--My goal is not primarily to persuade people to agree with me, but to stimulate thought. I respect the positions anybody takes that are different from mine, and while I expect to get challenged, readers and commenters here should also expect to be challenged--in a nice way.

Rob--In answer to your question about how this new narrative will emerge, I think all I can say is that it will come out of the cultural sphere, not the political sphere. I don't know if you read my "Lost" posts, but I argued in them that the writers were doing precisely this kind of post-secularist, syncretistic fusion thinking. Lost I think will be looked back on as one of the first significant post-secularist texts. Science, Christian iconography and ideas, shamanic ideas, and ideas from many other sources were drawn upon to construct what I think was a very compelling narrative. This kind of thing would not have been possible twenty-five years ago. It would have been just too weird, but the culture is intrigued by it now.

So the short answer is that we're in a stage in which the ground is being plowed, turned over, softened, to make it more receptive to seeds that in time will germinate. Songs will be sung, novels will be written, plays and tv shows will be performed and after a certain point most people will become aware that they all agree about certain basic values that people a hundred years before would have thought impossible.

I've been reading Gordon Wood's The Radicalism of the American Revolution, and he describes a very similar process going on in the transition from a monarchical consensus to a republican one. Most of educated Europe woke up one day in the middle of the 18th Century and recognized that they were all republicans, and the whole thrust of Wood's book is to describe how radical a shift it was for American society. We take it for granted, but it's very interesting this change was effected. I might post on it sometime soon.


Shane Brooks

Mission accomplished, your blog has succeeded in stimulating thought. You have so many posts to read and go through. My list of books to read is getting longer. Tonight I will begin reading "Cornered" by Barry Lynn that was recently suggested to me.

I'm working on changing my approach to my challenges in a nicer way. I've been so caught up in polarizing political movements, that I have fallen victim to my own hypocrisies and emotions.

It's obvious to me that I need more prayer and time to just shut up and listen for awhile. Just take the time to sit back and really think about things. Stop trying to do so many things and just take it easy and continuing educating myself through stimulating and intelligent means. Mind over emotions I guess. Ok I'm rambling a bit.

I have to disagree, somewhat at least, that "We no longer can maintain a "first naivete". I think the perception of the "first naivete", (because of their own misinterpretations, ignorance and hypocrisies)are wrong. Certainly the "first naivete" is partly to blame and did themselves no justice as far as outside societal perception is concerned. However, I think your insistance that "second naivete" must be searched out is spot on.

You have to forgive me as I have to read your posts several times before I can comfortably grasp the depth and the sophistication of your writing, so I apologize if my responses are all over the place.

Lastly, I really look forward to you posting on the American Revolution and the transition from a monarchical consensus to a republican one and how our society today takes for granted the profound impact this shift made.

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